GinnyW ([info]ginny_weasley31) wrote in [info]twilightenabler,

Don't Panic

We realize that this community is usually for fanfic recommendations, however as admins, we feel that this is important enough to post here.

Yes, fanfiction.net is broken. DO NOT PANIC. This has happened before, it will happen again. IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT. (Though we believe that the current state of ff.net is in no way related to our fandom, please know that there is always a very slim possibility that it is.) However, based on past experience are can say that this happens fairly often, and although usually it's up within a few hours, it does occasionally take longer. Sometimes as long as a week. It will be back.

It currently does not appear that vast amounts of stories are being deleted. It would be really easy for them to delete all M-rated fic, if that's what was going on. So everyone needs to just calm down. Take a deep breath. It's okay.

Now, while we have your attention, let's talk about this. Because up to this point Twilight has gotten away with posting stories that are in violation of the content guidelines at fanfiction.net. As writers who've been around the block a time or two, we've seen this kind of thing before, so we thought we'd try to be helpful and point out a few things in the hopes that we can dispel some of the rumors that are flying around.

Gin & Shug




Before we begin, we'd like to state that this post is not in response to a particular story, author, or situation. We've just been concerned by various rumors we've been hearing, as well as by the general state of the Twilight fandom at fanfiction.net, and have put this together in hopes of presenting something informative.

As readers and writers of fanfiction we need to be aware of some inherent truths.

1) Writing fanfiction is NOT a right.
2) The characters, no matter what, still belong to their original creator.
3) Archives allow us to upload stories to their sites, but to do so we must abide by their rules.
4) Our decisions and our actions as fanfic writers have the potential to impact the entire fandom.

Fanfiction.net clearly states that they do not filter content and that it is an open system that trusts the writer's judgment. However, because of this, responsibility falls to the writers and readers to follow the guidelines. This doesn't mean that they will turn a blind eye. When something is reported and they investigate the claim, they have no choice but to enforce their rules. Keep in mind that those rules were created based on past experiences (see links at the bottom of this post). These are measures they've taken in order to protect themselves.


Writing fanfiction is NOT a right

Writing fanfiction is a hobby. It's fun for us to take an author's characters and play with them. And usually, authors are happy to allow us our fun so long as it doesn't infringe on their rights (i.e no money is made). There are some authors, however, who have clearly stated that they will not allow derivations of their works (i.e. Anne Rice, Nora Roberts, among others). In these instances, writing fanfiction can be a liability ... and writers run the risk of being sued by the original author. Thankfully, authors such as JK Rowling and Stephenie Meyer have been fairly lenient in regards to fanfiction. However, we as fanfic writers must be aware that at anytime that privilege can be revoked. In fact, JKR considered doing just that in 2002, sending HP fanfic writers and archives into a panic. Cease and desist letters do happen. We must realize that, at Stephenie Meyer's whim, our entire fandom could go up in smoke. Again, writing fanfiction is a privilege afforded to us by the originating author. It is NOT a right.


The characters, no matter what, still belong to their original creator

We are playing in the original author's sandbox. Whether we are simply borrowing the characters or further exploring their created universe, the stories are not ours and technically fall under copyright laws.

Disclaimers are important. In order to protect yourself, and in a show of good faith to the original author, you should state who owns the characters and that you are not in anyway profiting from your works. For example:

The characters and canon situations in the following story belong solely to [insert author name here]. I am not making any money from the posting or writing of this work of fanfiction.


Archives allow us to upload stories to their sites, but to do so we must abide by their rules

Currently, there seems to be a lot of rumors regarding fanfiction.net and its rules. Some are truth, and some are not. We'd like to shed some light on the matter.

When you upload a fic to fanfiction.net, you agree to the site's Content Guidelines. Please, click on the link and read the guidelines in their entirety. We'll touch on just a few here. The following comes directly from the fanfiction.net's content guidelines:

The chapter system is not to be used as placeholder for non-story content such as author notes. You can add short author notes to the beginning or at the end of stories but never as individual chapters.*

Entries not allowed:

  1. Non-stories: lists, bloopers, polls, previews, challenges, author notes, and etc.

  2. One or two liners.

  3. MST: comments inserted in between the flow of a copied story.

  4. Stories with non-historical and non-fictional characters: actors, musicians, and etc.

  5. Any form of interactive entry: choose your adventure, second person/you based, Q&As, and etc.

  6. Chat/script format and keyboard dialogue based entries.



Actions not allowed:

  1. Multiple entries of the same material. There can only be one copy of any unique story on the entire site. No exceptions.*

  2. Rewriting names of characters/locations of one story in order to upload to multiple categories.

  3. Copying from a previously published work (including musical lyrics) not in the public domain.*


General rules:

  1. Entry title and summary must be rated G for all audience. No exceptions.*

  2. Entry must be given the proper rating. No exceptions.

  3. Entry must be placed in proper category. No exceptions.

  4. Chapters of the same story are not allowed to be submitted as separate entries. All chapters/segments must be grouped together using the 'edit/upload chapter' feature in the left menu.



Please note the ones we've asterisked. These are common violations in Twilight fanfic on fanfiction.net. If reported, a violation of any one of these can lead to your story being deleted and your account suspended.

*The chapter system is not to be used as placeholder for non-story content such as author notes. You can add short author notes to the beginning or at the end of stories but never as individual chapters.
-This means uploading fake-out chapters with author's notes.

*Multiple entries of the same material. There can only be one copy of any unique story on the entire site. No exceptions.
-This includes collaborations. The story is only to be uploaded once. However, there is no rule stating that two or more authors cannot create a new penname for their collaborations.

*Copying from a previously published work (including musical lyrics) not in the public domain.
-Yes, this means no song lyrics, long stanzas of poetry, or lengthy quotes from books.

*Entry title and summary must be rated G for all audience. No exceptions.
-We've seen fics deleted because of their story title and/or summary.

Perhaps even more relevant to Twilight fanfic on fanfiction.net, however, is this rule, highlighted in RED on the writing guidelines:

Please note FanFiction.Net does not accept explicit content, Fiction Rating: MA, and the rating is only presented for reference.

See that? NO EXPLICIT CONTENT.

And then there is this:

Failure to comply with site rules will result in the removal of stories and/or suspension of account.

The kicker is that the admins at fanfiction.net do not go around looking for violations. Instead, they rely on readers to report violations. And if your work is reported and found to be in violation of the content guidelines, THEY WILL DELETE IT and they have every right to do so.

So, if you're writing a fic that contains explicit material and you post it on fanfiction.net, you are in violation of the content guidelines, and you run the risk of your story being deleted and/or your account suspended at any time. All it takes is one person to report it, for whatever reason, and it's over. THIS IS NOT FANFICTION.NET'S FAULT. They've clearly stated the rules, and you have agreed that you've read them and will adhere to them before they allowed you to upload. Every so often, they ask you to reaffirm that you're aware of the content guidelines. So if you've continued to post your story that contains explicit content on fanfiction.net, the blame lies solely with you if it's deleted. It doesn't matter that five hundred other authors have stories with explicit content and their stuff still remains up. The blame also doesn't rest with the person who reported you. The fact remains that it is clearly stated that explicit content is not allowed on fanfiction.net. Those other authors have just not been reported ... YET.


What is the difference between M and MA rating?

Per the fanfiction rating system, M-rated fic is defined as: Not suitable for children or teens below the age of 16 with possible strong but non-explicit adult themes, references to violence, and strong coarse
language.

MA-rated fic is defined as: Content is only suitable for mature adults. May contain explicit language and adult themes.

If you're thinking that this is vague, then you're right. It is. Generally it is thought of that 'explicit' means graphic detail. Words like "throbbing cock" and "sopping wet cunt." Think of the difference between Harlequin novels -- Silhouette is a lot less explicit than Blaze.


So what do you do if your story exceeds the accepted ratings at fanfiction.net? Put it on a different archive, one that not only accepts such content but does so responsibly. The segment of the Harry Potter fandom that we have participated in learned quickly to post on multiple archives. Also, many authors water down the content when posting on fanfiction.net in order to comply with their rules. Yes, that means two different versions of the same chapter, if necessary. That's not to say that the posting of explicit content still doesn't happen, but in general, that's how we learned to deal with the situation.


Our decisions and our actions as fanfic writers have the potential to impact the entire fandom.

The characters and the universe still belong to the original author. At any point and time, the privilege to write fanfiction can be revoked.

Just as JK Rowling, Anne Rice, and DC Comics issued cease and desist orders, Stephenie Meyer has every right to do the same. The world that we're currently playing in can crumble down around us at any moment.

When the rules are disregarded, there is always the possibility that someone will report stories that violate the Terms of Service to the archive administrators, send letters to the book's publishers, or email the author's publicist. And then there is the potential that Stephenie Meyer will look at a particular story and decide that she doesn't like how people portray her characters. That could possibly lead to her asking fanfiction.net to close their Twilight section and all of the fanfiction sites devoted to Twilight closing down.

And just like that, our playground would be gone.

So you see, it's about more than a single story or author, yet at the same time, everything can hinge on a single story or author. If we want to continue to be granted the privilege of playing in Stephenie Meyer's sandbox, then we need to be sure that each of us as individuals is doing all we can to be sure that we give her no reason to kick us out.


The Twilight fandom is still quite young, and as such, growing pains are inevitable. However, in order to survive, we must come together as a community and learn to support each other rather than bicker and lay blame. Of course, there will always be sniping and personality clashes and trolls ... those things never go away. But we MUST play responsibly and within the rules, or we run the risk of losing the privilege of playing at all.

*Please note that we are not in any way affiliated with fanfiction.net. We've simply been around for awhile and have watched other fandoms deal with similar issues.



Related Links:

http://www.chillingeffects.org/fanfic/
http://www.fanhistory.com/wiki/FanFiction.Net
http://www.fanhistory.com/wiki/Cease_and_desist_letters
http://www.fanfiction.net/guidelines/
http://www.fanfiction.net/tos/

Edited to add: We've seen some evidence that some of what we've written has been misread. We feel the need, then, to reiterate that we put this together because of the rumors swirling about ff.net and NOT because of any particular story/author. We are concerned and dismayed that what we hoped would be helpful information is perhaps being twisted and used to attack authors. We do not condone such behavior under any circumstances. As writers, we know the hard work that is put into writing a story, and we would never, NEVER find the sort of angry, venomous comments and message that we've seen sent to some writers. And, we're not saying that all fics that contain violations should be booted off of ff.net -- that's not up to us. (Heck, I have stuff in violation!) Shug and I enjoy many of the stories, actually. We're merely stating that one should not be surprised if one's fic is deleted if there are violations.

And, no... as far as we know, ff.net is NOT eliminating all M-rated fic!
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[info]scatteredlogic

February 24 2009, 16:33:06 UTC 3 years ago Edited:  February 24 2009, 16:36:08 UTC

Nice post!

~nods~ Yep, anyone risks having their stories (or accounts) deleted if they violate archive rules, and that applies to any archive out there. It pays to read the rules and adhere to them, or at least recognize that you risk deletion if you violate them.

Twilight is a relatively new fandom, and there are a lot of brand new fanfic writers writing for it, so they have no idea of the history of the site or that other fandoms went through this back when ff.net banned NC-17 fics. ~grin~ Now that was an uproar and it was a cross-fandom uproar that lasted for months. LOL

[info]ginny_weasley31

February 25 2009, 04:36:20 UTC 3 years ago

Why thank you, hon. I've been reading fandom history for the last 2 days. I never tire of the wank reports. It's downright addicting. :D

[info]jime22

February 24 2009, 19:33:04 UTC 3 years ago

Great post, Ginny

[info]ginny_weasley31

February 25 2009, 04:36:47 UTC 3 years ago

Thank you.

[info]blueandstarry

February 24 2009, 20:47:26 UTC 3 years ago

Thank you for writing this. It's nice to hear a voice of reason amongst all the reactionaries. I was getting a little tired of seeing arguments like "FF.net is denying us freedom of speech!" all over the fandom.

-SuburbanSun

[info]ginny_weasley31

February 25 2009, 04:42:11 UTC 3 years ago

It's easy to panic, especially with coincidences like that. Shug and I just wanted to show why there was even an issue.

[info]edwardsbloodtpe

February 24 2009, 21:36:24 UTC 3 years ago

Very informative, and as a writer of explicit adult material posted on ff.net, I wasn't even aware of half this stuff. I know that this wasn't specifically intended for the sake of the Wide Awake nonsense, but I just can not for the life of me figure out why she hasn't put the story somewhere else.

[info]ginny_weasley31

February 25 2009, 04:47:15 UTC 3 years ago

:) A lot of people aren't aware of ff.net's rules.

[info]missbluejuju

February 24 2009, 22:41:03 UTC 3 years ago

Thanks for posting this. For a while I'd thought that my computer was wonky, and I felt guilty for not being able to log in and leave reviews!

When I started reading Twilight fanfic, I was surprised that so many risque stories were on FF. I guess it was only a matter of time before they took action. I'm a little surprised it didn't happen sooner.

Well, I guess that if our 'one stop shop' for Twilight fanfic won't be, er, 'one stop' anymore, we'd all better start reccing, 'cause there's probably gonna be a heck of a lot of stories spread out on different archives now.

I'm glad that you told me about Twilighted, Ginny--I love that place, (though I wish they'd come up with a new 'skin'; my eyes aren't very fond of the white on black color scheme, LOL).

[info]emibella

February 24 2009, 23:17:28 UTC 3 years ago

fyi, you can click on the "print" icon on the table of contents of fics to get a black on white color scheme and font similar to ff. I hope that helps.

I was on twilighted LONG before I put any of my twilight stories on ff. It's a good site... plus, who doesn't like talking about their fic on the forums?

[info]melj28

3 years ago

[info]emibella

February 24 2009, 23:15:21 UTC 3 years ago

Thank you so much for posting this. When Smellyia sent it to me last night I was overwhelmed with the amount of information that I believe so few of us really know about or understand. It's really a "don't ask, don't tell" mentality over there.

While I hope this doesn't cause any needless widespread panic in the fandom, I do think it's important to understand our responsibilities and ff's rights. It's really an "at your own risk" situation.

We ARE playing on so many people's home courts when we write fanfiction that our rights are few, this doesn't mean that it's not a worthwhile hobby but it's important to remember that when we write about others characters, explicitly or not, we have to give up some things that some of us would rather not. It's the price we pay for playing, for naming our characters "Bella" and "Edward" and for participating in a community that gives us so much in return.

[info]ginny_weasley31

February 25 2009, 04:59:43 UTC 3 years ago

I love writing fanfiction. It IS a worthwhile hobby and I've learned so very much from it.

"Don't ask, don't tell" is a perfect way to describe it. The problem is that it's a fandom that was geared towards teenagers originally and therefore there are a lot of younger people both writing and reading. As a result there are panicky mothers to deal with and people who feel that we're doing horrible things to the characters by making them... ZOMG!... have sex.

Okay, that might be exaggerating a bit... well... maybe. ;)

[info]kay18jay

February 25 2009, 02:25:24 UTC 3 years ago

As usual Ladies, your article is informative and pertinent.
You rock!
I love the sandbox that we're playing in, the participants are wonderful, and the sandcastles have been...amazing! So it would behoove us all to do what we need to do so they don't get stomped on!
Thanks!

[info]ginny_weasley31

February 25 2009, 05:01:49 UTC 3 years ago

:) Thank you.

I love this sandbox too and I love to read the fics. I don't care if they're smutty or tame... I just enjoy the stories. I just selfishly want everything to continue on for as long and as smoothly as possible. :)

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[info]ginny_weasley31

February 25 2009, 20:30:12 UTC 3 years ago

*nods*

It's only because the newer fandoms haven't had to go through the fear that their fandom will get taken away from them. I remember searching for archives and coming across the Cease & Desist orders from JKR and panicking. Then, months later, I was a member of an archive and I clicked to go see what had updated that day and the page was rerouted to a C&D letter demanding that the site be shutdown and a list of all of the site admins/owners and that they were the ones in trouble... it was from Greg & Forge Law Firm and it was a Sunday afternoon... April 1st to be exact. Anyhow, I remember feeling my heart up in the throat from that.

*snort*

But everyone is pushing the limits... all in all, that's fine, however if people report violations, then the admins at the websites have every right to pull it down.

[info]badjujuboo

February 25 2009, 09:28:38 UTC 3 years ago

Thanks ladies

Well speaking as someone completely new to the Fanfic world that was extremely informative. I guess we all kind of skip through the guidelines and assume because we've read stories that include explicit and erotic natured content that it's generally not frowned upon. Frightening though though if SM decides to take our toys away. I know FF gave me the next needed hit after BD came out.. how will we survive without fanfiction to play around so with the characters we adore? I'll be going through my stuff with a fine tooth comb just in case.

Thanks again!

[info]ginny_weasley31

February 25 2009, 20:34:52 UTC 3 years ago

Re: Thanks ladies

You're welcome.

This isn't a post to slap people and tell them to clean up their act. Simply to point out that the removal of chapters by site admins is not them trying to stifle someone's right to 'free speech' or to pick on a person. Now, people targeting and only reporting one story simply to attack an author... that's something that I have a problem with. However, if the author they're attacking truly are violating the rules... then what can we do? Cry foul?

*shrugs*

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[info]ginny_weasley31

February 25 2009, 20:35:27 UTC 3 years ago

Re: Thanks!

Yep. That's fine, the freaking out and panic is why we wrote this up to begin with. :)

[info]minisinoo

February 26 2009, 00:43:32 UTC 3 years ago

WORD.

Thanks for this nice, SANE post, guys. As someone who can actually remember when ff.net started, I think it's helpful to lay out a little history to put things in perspective. Well done.

[info]sshg316

February 26 2009, 03:36:04 UTC 3 years ago

Thanks for the encouraging words! Our hope was to help calm some of the rising panic as well as providing some helpful information to people. And yeah, putting things in perspective, too. :)

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[info]disdainful_soul

February 26 2009, 03:23:49 UTC 3 years ago

I am not a member of the Twilight fandom but I have to say "well done" on your post here. I think a lot of different fandoms need to read this, not just Twilight.

Very nicely done, and hopefully your laying out of the rules prevents more drama and chaos.

[info]sshg316

February 26 2009, 03:36:35 UTC 3 years ago

Thank you very much! That is our hope, as well. :)

[info]autumnleaving

February 26 2009, 09:20:18 UTC 3 years ago

I came via a post from somewhere (there are too many tabs and I just closed where I came from - I'd give credit if I hadn't) and while the meltdown of the reactionary fans is amusing, I can't believe the reactions if I never saw them for myself.

It sounds like the Twilight fandom has a lot of younger members? I've heard of mothers who enjoyed Twilight, but it still sounds like the younger demographic's the majority. In any case, I hope people stop misconstruing your post & thank you for sharing it. I've been around since ff.net's conception also and a lot of changes have definitely taken place since then.
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